I am organizing a trip with my friends in Eid... we wanna go to Sinai... to Nuweiba, Dahab, and Taba... We will have like 3 days off from school and we want to take an extra 3 days plus the weekend... We wanna go on a relaxing trip and we don't wanna go to Sharm because it turns into a ridiculously crowded and commercial place during the festive seasons... Everyone I wanna avoid is there - everything I wanna stay away from is there... but still... I love Sinai and I've been on several trips driving and camping through this lovely region of nature and of beauty... I'm very excited...
Anyways, we're currently planning to stay for a couple of days in Nuweiba, Taba, and Dahab, or a few days in Taba and a few days in Nuweiba. And since Taba borders the Israeli coastal city of Elat, and there is an entrance in the borders there, we were thinking of entering Israel for a few hours mainly to do a little shopping and look around and maybe interact with actual Israelis as a new and interesting experience...
The thing is we've heard several stories about people - Egyptian citizens that is - crossing that border or entering Israel (legally and all) and coming back to hardships and annoyances by the security apparatus like State Security and the central Intelligence people - of Egypt that is. We're going to be a small group and if we're gonna end up being questioned or interrogated or even just mildly bothered it would be so totally not worth the trouble... Cuz you know we just wanna go as an interesting experience where we might interact with people on the other side of the border and maybe try to know how it feels like to be at peace - who knows? we maybe able to make sense of it... we also wanna check out the stores as I hear shopping is good there and really really cheap... Tell me what you think... curious to know your opinions... should we? shouldn't we??
Anyways, we're currently planning to stay for a couple of days in Nuweiba, Taba, and Dahab, or a few days in Taba and a few days in Nuweiba. And since Taba borders the Israeli coastal city of Elat, and there is an entrance in the borders there, we were thinking of entering Israel for a few hours mainly to do a little shopping and look around and maybe interact with actual Israelis as a new and interesting experience...
The thing is we've heard several stories about people - Egyptian citizens that is - crossing that border or entering Israel (legally and all) and coming back to hardships and annoyances by the security apparatus like State Security and the central Intelligence people - of Egypt that is. We're going to be a small group and if we're gonna end up being questioned or interrogated or even just mildly bothered it would be so totally not worth the trouble... Cuz you know we just wanna go as an interesting experience where we might interact with people on the other side of the border and maybe try to know how it feels like to be at peace - who knows? we maybe able to make sense of it... we also wanna check out the stores as I hear shopping is good there and really really cheap... Tell me what you think... curious to know your opinions... should we? shouldn't we??
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I think, you should. I always say: Don't care about restrictions; care about your feelings. You want to go, don't you? So you feel like crossing the border - cross it!
(If you don't you'll always ask yourself how it would have been - until you go at the end just because you missed it before. You thought about it too much to forget about that little trip...)
If you are gonna go, get ready for hell when you get back ding dong. Plus don't just go to a dinky border town, make the effort and go to Tel Aviv, it is a fucking insane Party Town - a city that never sleeps. Will make Nicosia, Dubai & Beirut seem like ghost towns.
I mean if you don't mind it being the capitol of the nation that will eventually be responsible for Armageddon, why not. 22,000 other Egyptians [mostly Eskandarania] enjoy the posh presence & exuberance of Tel Aviv with it's beautifully paved streets & swimming pools.
It's just like the better hood of any Arab country with the same cuisine except everything has a Hebrew name to it instead.
Can you bring me back some 50. Caliber Desert Eagle clips with you, since they are made there? Dead Serious! Fed Ex em.
Actually when are you go'n again, maybe I can come along lol?
I dont advice you to go because of security problems. You are free to do whatever you want- but by visting the enemy of your counter, you are actually doing it a favour. The best way to handle Israel is not war, rather we should isolate it, boycot it and totally reject it- 5 million totally rejected in the middle of 300 millions Arabs- On the long run they will collapse
Amre El-Abyad:
If the person writing this post wants to visit Israel, what makes you think they consider Israel "the enemy of your counter" like you do?
And why should the only sane nation in the Middle East collapse?
I think visiting Israel is a great idea... if more and more Egyptians visited Israel it will be harder for the State Security to annoy all of them.
I say go ahead. The good thing is that, thanks to the peace treaty, visiting Eilat does not require a visa for Egyptians, just like Israelies don't need a visa to visit parts of Sinai (you can call the Israeli embassy to get accurate details).
I think that visiting Israel and meeting Israelies is an experience that every Egyptian need to have, before they decide who the real "enemy" is. Don't forget to bring souvenirs!
What do you think, Isis?
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Do it! You won't regret it! And border police fuss? They cant do much when you do stuff legally...
"If the person writing this post wants to visit Israel, what makes you think they consider Israel "the enemy of your counter" like you do?"
what a subtle syllogism! I salute you.
And why should the only sane nation in the Middle East collapse?
I have seen quite a good few of your likes, so I am sure that discussing the issue with you will either be useless, or take up much space and time.
Sure, go shopping in Eilat. It's relatively cheap because there's no VAT there. However...
Don't take Eilati residents as representative of Israel proper. It's part assholes on vacation and part assholes who live there. And maybe some nice people. But living in such isolation, and with only tourism -- tends to leave them a little wierd.
Just my $0.02... :)
Israel is lovely, but Elat is a bit of a touristy area. Don't worry about going across the border. :-)
Eilat, though VAT-free, isn't cheap if you want to stay there. The hotels are expensive. Plus, the Hotel Community (many people who live in Eilat are connected to the tourism trade one way or another) may make you feel a bit weird, as they'll see you as a customer first and foremost, not a simple person.
Some of the local tourists are alright, though. Visit, and above all, have a great time. :-)
SIMON COLOMBUS,
I myself want to go... I just don't know if security will be a problem when I get back... But thanks for ur encouragement :) keep comin back
SAMSEVEN,
يا لهوي ياما؟؟ nothing that has to do anything with either weapons, arms, or ammunition - انت عاوز توديني في داهيه؟ But if I do make it this time and everything goes well It'll be clear if I'll be able to go anywhere again or not :)) As for Tel Aviv - I don't think we can go that far only using our national ID's as stated in Camp David - right??
AMRE EL ABYAD,
بص يا عمر... انا باؤمن بالسلام و اسرائيل فعلاً كانت عدو ليناو انا معاك انه ليس من الممكن غض النظر عن الصراع و تريخه بس انا مش عاوزه مصر تحارب - ولا اي بلد - و السلام الحقيقي مش اتفاقيه ولا وقف اطلاق نار - السلام هو التعايش والتعامل و التسامح - و طول ما فيه ناس من الجانبين مزروعه فيهم ثقافه الكره عمر ما هايكون في سلام - لا بين العرب و اليهود ولا بين السنه و الشيعه و لا بين المسلمين و غيرهم و لا حتي بين فتح و حماس... الفكره بقي في اللي جاي - المستقبل - انا عاوزه اروح بنفسي اشوف الناس دي عامله ازاي و هايتعاملوا معانا ازاي علشان اعرف احكم بنفسي
ANONYMOUS,
I don't believe Israel is an enemy in the common definition of the word but I believe it's still not a friend and there is much work to be done for it to be a normalized and reciprocal relationship - work on BOTH sides
SHARM,
will email you definately :)
SUZANNE,
Thanks - ur totally right :))
IDAN, STEVEN, ROMAK KALIK,
yeah?? sounds like sharm el sheikh to me... but thanks a lot for ur suggestions - if i actually end up going I will take lots of photos :) thanks again guys... cool NO VAT HEHEHE
Sure, you MUST go and visit. But be carful as you have the Jewish holidays and during Sukkot (starting 27 Sept to 3 Oct), Hotels in Eilat may be totally booked. Check before you go ahead. But I am sure it would be a wonderful experience.
Eilat is a small tourist town, if you want to see the real country go to tel aviv, haifa or jerusalem
it would all depend on what is going on at the time.
yochanan
Amre El-Abyad,
Israel might be your enemy, and the enemy of everyone who want to attack her, destroy her, kill her population or Jews elsewhere, but she is not everybody else's enemy.
Israel doesn't even know you. You are fighting a war nobody needs, a war that was stupid when the Germans tried it and a war that will never accomplish anything, even if won. Jew-free countries tend to be poor and unimportant. Just compare Jew-free Arab countries with the country the Arab Jews fled to. Israel is richer and more valuable to the world than any Arab economy.
Your "enemies" write the software you use, make the CPU that powers your computer, and plant the potatoes I eat here in Ireland even. Give it up already. The world needs your "enemies", but the world does not need you. And I think you know that and that is why you feel like you do about Israel.
And don't tell me about refugees. Nobody asked the Arabs in Israel to participate in the attack on Israel a day after it was founded, and most nations have their share of refugees, especially Israel (half the Jewish population are descendants of Jewish refugees from Arab countries) and my own country of birth, Germany (which absorbed and is still absorbing German and Jewish refugees from eastern Europe).
Heck, Israel now absorbs Sudanese refugees who are fleeing Arab nationalism. Can you not see that the problem lies not in the country that EVERYONE, Palestinian Arabs, Arab Jews, Sudanese refugees, wants to flee to, but in the countries they DON'T want to live in? Can't you see that it is Jordan, Egypt, and Sudan and the other Arab countries that have to change to make this stop, not Israel?
The middle east does not need one Israel less, the middle east needs more countries like Israel; more countries that people WANT to live in, flee to, will use to escape terrorism and oppressive governments. You don't see Israeli Arabs trying to flee the oppressive Israeli state, now that Arab governments do not call on them to do so any more, do you? But there are Arab citizens trying to get into Israel to escape their governments.
The fact is that there are more people in the middle east outside Israel who want to live in Israel than there are people in Israel who want to leave for the rest of the middle east. So something must be right with Israel and wrong with everybody else.
Give it up already. You are not helping anybody.
Gee, the Quran says that G-d commanded the Jews to live in the land of Israel. Can't you see that when religion and logic tell you one thing, the other thing is probably untrue?
Whatever, dude, I am meant to recommend Eilat here.
Isis,
I have never been there. It is probably too hot for me. I will go once Israel builds a railroad through the desert. So far I have only been in Tel Aviv (cool, very artificial, very expensive), Haifa (very normal, but too hot and humid), and Jerusalem (the irrigation systems the Jews have built have done miracles). I recommend Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. But I don't know about Eilat.
Most of what I find interesting about Israel has to do with the unique mixture of European and middle eastern culture. Perhaps you might enjoy the same mixture from the other point of view?
Andrew Brehm
to my own point of view jewish people in Europe and the U.s....I had a childhood Jewish friend in New York are among the most amiable and friendly people I have ever seen.
Israel is a different issue- that is country that displaced the legitmate owners who happen to be my Arab people and have been doing nothing but solicting the destructin of any rising Arab force i.e Naseer's Egypt and Sadam's Iraq.
Need I remind that Israel is the sole country in th middle east where identity is formulated on pure religpous basis!!!!! you have to be Jewish, in order to be Israeli........It would be worth mentioning that apart of the very starnge SaudI Arabia, Isrtael is only religous country in the middle east since the fall of the ottomanian empire, among a majority of secualr Arab states, Syria, LEBANON , Egypt, Iraq and Jordan.
The existance of ISRAEL IS JUSTIFIED ON BASIS OF SOME SACRED RELIGOUS TEXTS!!! INDEED, VERY STARNGE ON PART OF COUNTRY THAT CLAIMS TO BE THE THE ONLY MODERN SPOT IN TH MIDDLE EAST.
THE INEVITABLE AND LOGICAL CONSEQUANCES OF THE RELIGOUS AND HOLY TEXTUAL NATURE OF ISRAEL, WAS THE RISE OF RADICAL FUNDAMENTAILST REGRESSIVE TERRORSITC VERSION OF ISLAM.
One more thing, don't you think that it is indeed starnge on part of Israel which is only a tiny 5 million country among 300 million Arabs who all live in Arab countries to demand them to change the name of their region from Arab world to middle east, just to satisfy her!!!!!
About sudanese refugees........The Jenjaweeds are not Arabs, that is basically a linguistic misunderstanding....nomads in Africa are called Arabs...however they are all the same -All are balck.
There I would like to point out, that the dominat Amahiri ethnic group i Ethiopia claim a hebrew descent!!!! although they are christians......does this make them Jews?????
LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR REPLY....WHICH iI will only continue if you maintain a spirit of sportsmanship and objectivity
KIND REGARDS
Amre El-Abyad:
I don't think it should be called the Arab World since they aren't all Arabs living there right? Assyrians, Armenians, Jews, Africans, Persians, Turks. Granted, most are Arabs, so maybe you are right. Also, you can become a citizen of Israel without being Jewish, it just makes it easier. Let us all grow up.
To the blogger:
I think you should go to Israel if it doesn't cost too much and you think it might be fun and/or educational. I plan to go to Morocco even though they had bombings real recently. Not going lets the terrorists win.
I had a lot of fun in Israel. I was surprised that many of them were very much against the Leb invasion and dislike the current conflict. Many are very open to discussion and you will be pleasantly surprised how much you enjoy the people. Go to TA or Jer.
Screw the border problem.
I say go for it. After all, it's for a good cause: shopping!
Plus, why deny yourself the opportunity to learn about another country and another people, firsthand? True, Eilat is pretty touristy - but it will probably be a new experience. That alone may be worth it :o)
Amre,
One, it was Nasser's Egypt and Saddam's Iraq that were working to destroy Israel, not the other way around. This is clear to anyone who bothered to follow both their actions (expulsion of Jews, war, support of terrorists, endless declarations regarding Israel's destruction). Israel would have viewed these countries with indifference otherwise. You also overestimate Israel's capabilities, and forget the oil and land-grubbing who Saddam, for example, effectively destroyed his country when he invaded Kuwait.
As for Israel being religion-based, your ignorance is telling. Jewish identity is three-faceted, ranging from religious to cultural to national. We remained a national group even after two millenia of living in the Diaspora, we retained our roots and ties to our past, and to our country.
Israel encourages Jewish immigration because they already hold the national identity. The Palestinians could have had a country of their own, side by side, in 1948. The Arab states decided that this could not be, and started a great big war. As for expulsion, read some unbiased history for a change. The Jews didn't force the Palestinians *out*, they refused to let them back *in* after the war ended. And ever since, the Arab states kept the Palestinians in shanty-town camps, unto the third generation.
As for the "Arab World", the Middle-East was and is much more than Arabs, no matter how many times Arab supremacists like Saddam Hussein tried to erase that reality by killing non-Arab citizens. Ask the Kurds if they're Arabs. Ask the Druze. Ask the Jews who used to live under Arab rule. And yet again, you overestimate Israel's power here.
Regarding the Sudanese, they may all be black to an outsider, but not to those living there. Those who have Arab ancestry (from Arab tribes who crossed the Red Sea) are Arabs in Sudan, are Muslims, and speak Arabic. The Janjaweed are a violent supremacist group of such Arabs, used by the Khartoum government (also dominated by self-identified Arabs) to suppress the black population of Darfur, who often don't speak Arabic at all, and view themselves as purely Arficans.
Ask a Sudanese about the identity issues in Sudan.
As for Ethiopia, only a very small percentage of the Ethiopians claimed to be Jews. The vast majority of them are now in Israel, as they were indeed Jews, who kept their ties to their (to most of them mythical by now) homeland.
And that you blame Israel for the rise of radical Islamism is nothing short of laughable. Muslims don't have free will? Don't make their own choices and mistakes? Enough of this! Saudi Arabia rose on its own, as did the Muslim Brotherhood (before Israel even existed). Please, stop playing the "Arab victims" card, as well as the "pan-Arabism" card.
Roman Kilk
you haver erred when you said your ignorance is telling! I will let got- but kindly spar those vulguer rants for those who appreciate them..........
You are deliberately mixing up facts.
Nasser's ideology was based on building indigenous Arab power base, developmnet......his plans for Israel was to totally isolate it and boysott it, along with anyone that deals with it. I think we are free to make friends with whoever we want. I suggest that you check britsh studies on Nasser,
Iraq after defeating Iran- had no plans for Israel simply because It can do nothing to it- Israel has got 300 Nuclear war heads with sufficient sophisticated means to deliver.....He knew his capabilties but it was you who killed the Egyptian scientit Yehia Al-Mashad father of Iraq's Nuclear
programme, it was you who bombarded their Nuclear reacvtor in 1981...........
I think no one could ever underestimate the significant role of AIPAC in formulating middle eastern policies along, with many other players of course. So please don't underestimate Israel's capabilities
On the middle east issue..the majority are Arabs, non Arabs are very tiny mionorities that can be tolerated within the Arab framework. However, You have to to make yourself consitent AS paletinians inside INSIDE ISRAEL ARE 20%, LEAVING ALONE THE gHAZA AND WEST BANK PALESTINIANS-THEREFORE YOU HAVE TO CALL THE LAND ISRAEL AND pALESTINE:))
ON THE jewish identity- according to scientific history-the kingdom of Israel is not a well sustained fact! it is enough to mention that Egyptians chronicled all peoples moddle easterns and foreigners,however the word Israel wasn not even mentioned once.....
What you take as solid fact about your history are constructed mainly by holy texts:)) there, the realm value overlaps with that of fact.
Furthermore, even if there was such a thing called Israel, you can't just come after 3000 years and claim a land. Likewise Germans must claim England because they are Saxons and the French must claim their part as well as they are the descndents of celts and Normans. The Koreans must claim Japan and mongolians must claim Turkey...capiche.....
About the falsh Jews, it seems that you are stalling- I never mentioned them- I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE christian amahiric and tigril dominat ethnic group in Ethiopia from which comes XZienawy and trhe Ethipopian leaders, they claim to be the descendents of a hebrew tribe.........ALRIGHT
Kind regards
Nasser planned to isolate Israel? Then explain the massed army of the Six Day War. Explain his public speeches regarding Israel's destruction. Explain the endless War of Attrition that Nasser launched after 1949. Explain the Fadiun terror gangs. Explain the expulsion of the Jews of Egypt, and the outright theft of their property.
You see Nasser in a very biased light.
As for Iraq, Saddam with nuclear arms. Yes indeedy, bestest Israeli inerest. We're talking about a man who had no problem whatsoever with using chemical weapons, and wasn't afraid to launch SCUDs at Israel during the First Gulf War. Saddam was a lunatic, and you don't let a lunatic get A-bombs.
And no, I don't have to be "consistent" because no great Arab Caliphate or whatever exists. Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Lebanon, to name a few, never seriously bought the pan-Arabic bullshit. Egypt, Syria, and Iraq did. Now, be a dear and get used to the fact that we have independent countries here. Hopefully, the Kurds will have one as well. Lord knows they suffered enough for it, and far more than the Palestinians could ever imagine...
As for the Kingdom of Israel, Josephus Plavius mentions the sacking of Jerusalem and the destruction of Free Judea in his history books. He was alive at the time. And your claim is also laughable, simply because there's enough evidence here, archaeologic in particular, to prove the old two kingdoms' existence ten times over. Your disputing historians are a tiny minority. The reputable among them. I'm sure there are plenty of unreputable ones in your group.
And pray tell, what country existed here after the Ottomans left? Palestine? Arab- Only Land, Do Not Enter? Enough of that BS. There was plenty of room in this barren wasteland for two new nations.
As for the claim of the Ethiopian ruling groups, what of it? Are you trying to say that this somehow dilutes my claim to my Jewish past? Maybe they are descendents of such a tribe. We did lose ten to the Babylonians' conquest, so who knows where they ended up. There's a group in India with customs that remind one of Judaism. Iran has some mountain tribes as well. There's some interest in them, as it would mean closing a big blank in our history - to whit, what happened to those ten lost tribes. They're not Jews anymore, nor do they claim to be, but it's an interesting subject nontheless.
Expelling jews from Egypt is an Egyptian internal affair- we are free to do whatever we want in our country- 99% of Egyptians are happy with that. That is the only thing that counts.
About history- most reliable historic evidence suggests that there may have been a kingdom of some peripheral hebrew tribes in Plaetine-which imposed its cult on rivaling Kannanites and Palestino clans even though it never managed to fuly assimilate them, or wipe out their identity.
Judaism was only the religon of Hebrews who were among hundreds of historically insignificant semitc muddy village kingdoms in Plaestine
The historical evidence you refer to DOESN'T NAME ISRAEL.....it is just evidence about the existance.......of some villages around the dead sea area.
No one can attack ISRAEL; Simply BECAUSE OF ITS 300 NUCLEAR HEADS........we need to develop our means of deterrence as well.
We are not calling for war....we just don't want to have anything to do with you- that is all
Capiche
Now, on the Ethiopian issue- goddam it dude, you arouse headaches..do I have to repeat myself ten times so you would understand? I was simply deconstructing your argument on the Arab origin of Jenjaweeds.
one last tip-cool off and control your temper, we are just having a discussion:)) stick to good manners and decent words- if you find such an attidude difficult to attain, try the Egyptian classic stella beer. It is very good
So Egyptians were happy with ethnic cleansing? That doesn't speak too well of Egypt, in my view.
As for your Israel argument... Please, don't try. We have coins from those periods, particularly of the last kingdom. And frankly, this just a tiny fragment of the archeological findings. You read history with a bias.
And had your leaders been seeking means of deterrence, their actions and words would speak otherwise. In 1948, the goal of the war was total destruction of the State of Israel. It was the same in 1967. That doesn't sound like "we want to have nothing to do with you" policy to me.
Nor is giving terrorists endless supplies and staging grounds speak of this mythical policy to me.
As for Sudan... Talk to Sudanese, man. What matters in the end, for the internal politics, is what people believe themselves to be. And frankly, there are appearance differences between African Sudanese and Sudanese with an Arab lineage, though only Africans seem to notice them. For an Arab-descended Sudanese, being called African or black is a huge culture shock.
As for Saddam, again... The. Man. Was . A. Loony. A power-hungry loony. A bit unpredictable, is what I imply.
Who talked about ethnic cleansing???? expelling means kicking out. killing. We didnt kill anyone. We just kicked out. AND WE WILL KICK OUT AGAIN AND AGAIN
quit this linguistic games Mr smart guy!
On Sadam Hussien- well, he was not crazy. THE MAN WHO BUILT THE MOST MODERN MIDDLE EASTERN STAE IN THE 20TH CENTURY THAT ACCORDING TO U.N AND UNICEF DEVELOPMENTAL REPORTS WERE EXPTECTED TO OVERTAKE HOLLANS, IS DEFINETLY NOT A LOONY!
HE INVADED KUWAIT BECAUSE HE WAS FOOLED BY A SIGNAL FROM APRIL GLASBY THAT ARAB-ARAB PROBLEMS ARE NOT WITHIN THE AREA OF CONCERN OF THE U.S
ON THE EGYPTIAN MASSES IN 1967...
YOU AND ME KNOW VERY WELL THAT IT WAS PART OF A TRAP AFTER LEAKING INFORMATION ON MASSING ISRAELI TROOPS ON THE SYRIAN BORDERS......NASSER'S INFLUENCE IN THE ARAB WORLD DIDN'T CONFORM TO THE STARTEGIC BALANCE OF POWERS IN THE WORLD. YOU KNOEW VERY WELL THAT THE 80,000 EGYPIAN SOLDIERS WHO CONSTIUTE THE TRAINED FORCES WERE STUCK IN YEMEN. THE TRROPS IN SINAI WERE UNTRIANED RESERVES MASSED FOR INTERNAL CONSUMPTION
CAPICHE
No I dont talk to sudanese about the issue- I talk to the fuckin hypocrytical international community who is only concerned with anything that would defame Arabs
No we dont have independent countries. that is non of your business. Arabs are one nation. and it is the israeli identity that is bullshit not Arab nationlaism. Besides, that is non of your business. It is our region and we are all Arabs- you have nothing to say about anything. Because the lands from Morocco to Iraq are for Arabs and only Arabs.
Except for the tiny peace you have- enjoy it. But you will remain isolated in it for eternity.
Nobody wants you dude- I advice you to bite it and live with it like a good rational grown up.
Saudi Arabian people are very Arab nationlaists- it is the ruling house that sees very well the dangers of Arab nationalism on their monopoly of the welath of their misinformed populöation. That is why they are allied with imperialism to wipe it out. As it is a self evident fact that Arab nationalim will bring Arabs back to the forefront.
Firstly, ethnic cleansing means expulsion, not just mass-murder (Saddam-style).
Secondly, Saddam's Paradise was only for Sunni Arabs. The majority of Iraq (Shi'a, plus all minorities) lived without basic infrastructure. Like sewage. This is because Saddam practiced forced resettlement policies, and only gave Sunnis access to the good regions.
And yes, he was insane. He shot and tortured people for fun. And taught his sons to be the same.
Thirdly, Saddam wasn't fooled by anyone. He invaded a sovereign country for purposes of conquest. Get used to that fact of life.
Fourthly, Nasser wasn't fooled by anyone, either. He too was intent on war for conquest and destruction, and your attempts to find excuses for this (like with Saddam) are lame. At best.
Fifthly, if you don't talk to Sudanese, how the heck can you pretend to understand Sudan? Or what is happening there (with yet another rebellion, a Nubian one this time, starting in the Northern part of the country)? And cut the self-victimization crap, you make your total lack of care for Sudanese quite clear as it is.
And sixthly, pan-Arabism is imperialist by its very definition, which you just brought. Thankfully, it's a dying ideology. Nearly dead, in fact. Pan-Islamism is where's it's at now, dude. Gotta move with the times and all.
I just wish that this region would move in a positive direction for a change... Regardless, you, sir, are a mere relic of a dead system. You live in Dreamland, and have only a faint connection to reality. You are a bigot, an Arab Supremacist, and a fool.
Go live in Syria. I hear they like fools there.
Roman
your ignorance and stupidity is phenomenal- man are you high on a dope of plastic or something?? Burning plastic smells like shit, and the more you stir it the more it stincks.
you are losing your temper- which means that I have hit a nerve! you lost the argument
All people know that they Arabs, they are just not intereted in unity at the present. That is what counts stupid. And Arab nationalism will ressurrect- no matter what the jealous, envious tossers think.
And no Iraq was not a paradise for shiites only.
The majority of the elite republican guards army which defeated Iran was made up of shiites. Top Baathists were shiites. They did their best to secularise and modenise the underdveloped south. However, all their efforts were resited by the fanatic retarded Iranians who wanted to export their revolution and practice some influence in the region.
Admit it dude, you hate to see any developed modern ARAB COUNTRY IN THE REGION. Otherwise, how would you expalin the Israeli supplies of weapons to the terrorist Khomeini?????
Besides, that is non of your busines we are all Arabs- and you will remain stuck in that tiny little cute piece of land of yours.
Why didn't you restrict your attack on Lebanon to Hisbollah????? Your attack on hisbollah is quite justified in the context of self defence- but what about the rest of Lebanon- you also bombed christian neighbourhoods. Answer is very simple- a modern prosperous Arab country is, definetly, not for your best interets.
On pan islamism- rising anti Iranian feelings will encompass it into an Arabic framework.
The new trend now is for an Arab/ muslim identiy. Trust me stupid that is more dangerous to you than the secular version of Arab nationalsim. Unfrotunately, it is going to hurt us secular modernist Arabs as well.
Go and live in Alaska! sell the shit, instead of inhaling it. you will definetly scrape up enough shackles to buy it.
Now Scram
Angry? Oh, no, I find you merely amusing now. Your shouting whenever I mentioned Arabic identity as dead nationally was anger. Me, I simply don't give much of a damn about you.
I doubt any Iraqi Shi'a will agree with your claim that they lived with basic equal rights. They were only good enough to die for Saddam, in his eyes.
As for sellings arms to post-Revolution Iran, some of it was a matter of finding a way to get Persian Jews permits to leave Iran, some of it was hopes to restore the pre-Revolution relationship. Neither worked out well.
And I know that the pan-Islamist trend is more dangerous than your pan-Arabic dreams. At least yours aren't apocalyptic in nature.
As for Hezbollah, did it ever enter your mind that Hezb did not bother with picking the civilian populace that is used as cover? Only one village in the South, a Druze one at that, managed to kick them out when they started using it as a launch site. The rest weren't able to do so. But regardless, the Israeli air offensive in Lebanon was heavily mismanaged as it is. Bombs aren't sniper rifles, or even ordinary rifles. Never were, and never will be. It should have been handled much differently, with careful usage of ground forces rather than a "surge for show" towards the end. But sadly, we had an incompetent PM, and even more incompetent Minister of Defence, and a Commander in Chief of the armed forces who came from the air-force. Never let a pilot run a war against a guerilla force.
And what do I have to do with Alaska? At least your precious pan-Arabic Ba'ath is still alive in Syria.
on Iraq:
Sadam recieved a medal from the UNICEF IN 1989 fror wiping out illiteracy in Iraq....... the remostest dirtiest village in Iraq had a state of the art hospital and free k-12 UPTODATE school! Iam not a baathist, by the way. Neither am I an ideoligist, in any way whatsoever- I just stand up for what I believe is right and just. For me ARAB NATIOLAISM IS NOT AN IDEOLOGY, IT IS A CLEAR-CUT reality. Pan Islamism has more to do with Hasan El-Sabah's Hashish paradice. However, I consider myself to be a pious Muslim believer.
It would be worth mentioning that the second man in Iraq- Tariq Aziz was christian. All Arab christians considered Iraq a paradice for christians in Saudi ideologies dominated Arab world.
Alaska is open for sale.....figure out the connection smart ass
"For me ARAB NATIONLISM IS NOT AN IDEOLOGY, IT IS A CLEAR-CUT reality."
As it was for the Jews, Kurds, and other minorities who suffered from it. Arab nationalism is a reality indeed.
It should be just an ideology, preferably a dead one. As a reality it was too clear-cut, especially to those it cut.
http://www.9neesan.com/
Has pictures of what happened to non-Sunni and non-Arab Iraqis. Thank G-d the Jews had already fled the country before!
And please let's not call Israel "Palestine".
It was the kingdoms of Israel and Judaea before the Romans came there and was only renamed "Palestine" by the pagan Roman empire to spite the Jews and erase the land't connection with G-d.
"Palestine" is the pagan term for the land and believers should not use it, I think. (And this has nothing to do with how many people have used the term for how long.)
Furthermore, the land of Israel belonged to the Ottoman empire before the British took it. There were no "Arab owners", just Arab inhabitants. It was Turkish land.
But it was also Jewish land as anybody who believes and has read Bible or Quran can testify to.
Religion gives the land to the Jews, Arab fascism disagrees.
I have always disagreed with fascists.
"It would be worth mentioning that the second man in Iraq- Tariq Aziz was christian. All Arab christians considered Iraq a paradice for christians in Saudi ideologies dominated Arab world."
That is probably even true.
Arab nationalism is secular, I grant you that. But I am neither convinced that "secular" means "good", nor does your statement about Arab Christians tell us anything new.
Nobody doubted that Arab nationalists treat Arabs well (unless they are Shia in a Sunni state and vice versa). It's the non-Arabs we are worried about.
Can you not live your "Arab nationalism" without involving Jews and Kurds and other peoples?
You must have enough room in the Arab states, certainly. Why do you need more?
Ottomanian empire was a pan islamist caliphate state- It was not a Turkish state........capiche. It included Arabs whowere promionent officers in the army, greeks, Albanian muslims, Bosnian muslims, Tartataric Muslims, Carcassian muslims.....etc
As for religon- well it seems that you want to bring us back to the dark ages.religon belongs to the realm of spirtuality and value.
National quarrels and historical disputes, can only be resolved by resorting to scientific history.Otherwise the outcome will be an an endless conflict-simply because once every party uses their own values to construct their version of reality, there will never be an arbitrary reference for what could qulaify a truth.
To make my point clear I will resort to what you have just said:
"it was also Jewish land as anybody who believes and has read Bible or Quran can testify to"
Try discussing that with a pan islamist:) then and come over and tell me all about it.
Yes, Saddam gave free education and healthcare... And got an award from UNESCO for it back in the 70s, not UNICEF. He destroyed his country ten times over since then, and never did bother with basic infrastructure for those dirty villages...
Saddam wanted people who could read about how great Saddam is. He copied Stalin's personality cult framework to the finest detail.
Oh, and I don't give a damn about Alaska. *you* make the logical leap as to why.
Isis - Eilat pretty much sucks. It's expensive, sticky, kitschy, touristy and full of people whose brains have been fried by the sun. A few hours might be OK... but it's bloody expensive (think Sinai X10).
I say if you're taking the risk of being harassed by the Egyptian Authorities and assorted Amre El-Abyads, take a much longer trip and really see Israel. Otherwise, it's probably not worth it.
If you're going to go to Israel and brave the Egyptian police when you get back (especially since you're an Egyptian citizen) I'd say you might as well go all-out because you want to make it worth the trouble. But for a few hours in one city I don't know if it's worth it :( I hear they harass pretty badly- it's undeserved, wrong, inappropriate- but it's the reality.
As for Nuweiba... do you know where you'll stay?? Stay at Bawaki (if you do a search online you can find it) Adel the owner is GREAT, I've been there about four times... the beach is beautiful... be sure when you're in Nuweiba to visit Castle (very close to Bawaki on the Nuweiba/Taba Rd) for a day pass!!!
Please come to Israel, I think you will enjoy it. The duty free shopping center in Eilat is pretty cheap but hasn't got so many shops. Don't take the Eilat people as standard Israeli's, its mostly tourists and people who work in the tourist industry. Eilat is almost like a separate country.
I try to make it to Egypt as much as I can (I live in Jerusalem). I think it is good for people to cross borders whenever possible in the Middle East to make it easier and more acceptable for others in the future.
Good luck!
Well,Isis,I'm sure if a group of thieves came one night loaded with guns and weapons and kicked u and your folks out of your house claiming it was theirs even 20 years ago-not mentioning 3000 or so- and turned you and your family into miserable refugees, denying you any right even to share a room with them,or even come back to pick up your things and leave,or take a last look at the place that embraced the whole history of yours and your family - I dont think by any means that oneday you'd feel at ease with this group of people,or this gang to be more precise.I dont think you're ever gonna visit them,buy things from them coz shopping there is great,or share a meal with them.Are you out of you freakin mind?..sometimes we do forget the whole idea about the arab-israeli conflict,the real basis why we should NEVER deal with those people or have anything to do with them till they simply return the house back to its original and ligitimate owners and just LEAVE to wherever the hell they came from.It is a case of Theft,and when I socialize with a thief,when your friends and your family who are supposed to stand up for u and fight for your cause go and visit those burglars at your own home , sit on your own couch and sleep in your own bed beleive me,you wont consider them friends or family anymore,they'll be partners in this major crime in your eyes and you'd certainly hate their gutts.I'm telling you now,I'm a big fan of your writings and your way of thinking,but if you do this, if you participate in this crime by any means even by spending a few dollars there or smoking a couple of joints with some pretty nice thieves,I'll find myself obliged to boycott you and everything you represent.Dont do this!
I'm probably going to get attacked for being naive but it seems to me like you should go to Israel. If not this trip then some other time. Maybe when you can spend more time and see more of the country. Although I'm not from the area, from an outside perspective it seems the main problem is misunderstanding and close-mindedness. I think it's sad that some people have left comments that are so hateful and make such broad generalizations towards both sides. People are people - are we really that different? Maybe if more people went through simple interactions, like shopping, that innate humanness would become more apparent. But like I said you all probably think I'm naive.
You ought to go to Israel. Eilat is not the nicest or most interesting town, but it would be something new.
I went from Eilat to Aqaba and it was like going to another world.
There are entry and exit fees on both sides. Be prepared to pay some money.
Spend all the money you want, drink all the booze you want, sleep with all the men you want. BUT PLEASE DONT YOU DARE CONTINUE TO SAY YOU LOVE EGYPT ON YOUR BLOG if you spend a cent in OCCUPIED PALESTINE.
You are somebody based on your own merits, you are liberal because you are a free spirit, you dont need to over do it by defaming the very essence of the nation you claim to love so much.
Who the hell do you think you are, the Sandmonkey or something? Sandmonkey is a victim of child abuse and has had Jew to lick his wounds, thats why he is the way he is. So whats your excuse?
I didnt use my real name cuz I like trainspotter will boycott you.
However it was a really great publicity stunt no doubt. I cant remember you ever getting so many comments on a single thread.
Hello Isis ... I am not well versed when it comes to politics and I never claimed that foreign affairs or internal affairs are my areas of expertise ... I can only tell you that I understand why people want to boycott you and your blog but I just want to remind them of Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet ... the two died because of unnecessary bloodshed, lack of communication, stubbornness, and holding on to past grudges.
There are no utter victims in this world ... we all have a hand in anything bad that befalls us ... just try to think of this trip bearing that in mind and see where it leads you.
Do it.
I admire your courage.
Many call for a boycot or something similar with the Israelies, don't listen to their backward way of thinking.
Thank God there are people like ( Anonymous-whoever he/she is) still around. I'm telling you again Isis,if we legalize theft in only one incident,if we tell just one rapist: u can get away with what you did then we are giving ligitimacy to each and every case of theft and rape. The quality of most of what I read is poor and the degree of knoweledge of those who wrote speaks for itself.mmm, I cant deny I was curious sometimes to watch israelis in sinai and abroad and here in Alex if possible , but it was more like a childish instinct as if they were creatures coming from another planet or so..Not more than that..so if this is the case with you get over it ,or even stare at those u meet in sinai or even have a chat with some of them,but to go there..thats too much..I really dont know how those people can sleep at night or enjoy a meal,if I'm driving a rent car,even if its a fancy one I wont be enjoying it coz i know its a rent one,what if it is stolen!..beleive me ..they know it..but they are counting on people forgetting it..or claiming they forgot..on ignorance, weak minds and short term memories..u should know better.
Trainspotter, you've grown up on propaganda and ignorance. Your views of Israelis as being "from another planet" explains a great deal. Israelis are not human for you. It makes hating all the easier.
And it makes you forget the UN partition, and the Arab invasion. Invasions, rather.
But keeping living in your hatred, man. It's the people who suffer due to hatred like yours that trouble me.
Trainspotter I would just like to assure you my friend that el donia lesa be khair and there are (plenty of my kind around).
The reason I am not using my real name is because under my real name I show tolerance to Israel and their Zionist baby killers just to get by without too much malaise. But indeed their actions are below despicable. As you said i don't know how they can enjoy a meal. But worry not the righteous always prevail...dude or dudet. Hence tyranny will never prevail.
I wont even bother retorting roman kalik's words cuz you as well as I know it is the usual gibberish- saying we will continue to suffer cuz they got atomic weapons and that we were raised hating them cuz they kill our babies (duh), and that the U.N. & Britain are the ones who (get this)gave away Palestine to the terrorist Jewish gangs cuz they needed a homeland because they have been slaughtered (for some strange reason through out history-I wonder what that might be?). Someone tell these idiots that it wasn't Britain's land or the Ottoman Empires in the first place to ever give away to anybody be it Jews, Hindus or even Muslims, it was Palestinian land..... jeeeeeesh. Nobody ever maid a move on this land throughout history, WTF is up with that now??
You made me laugh so hard...when you said you used to view them as aliens LOL. I was watching a really bad movie on satellite the other day and it was about a very powerful alien race that only cared about incurring profits who just happened to be the bad guys in this movie. Battlefield Earth starring John Travolta. That greedy race reminded of no other than....your favorite pilfering nation of thieves, baby killers and wanna be disciples of God.
As for ISIS going over there, well you have to remember that she has been through quite a lot in her recent past and maybe isn't playing with a full deck of cards(sorry Isis) or even better yet, due to her extreme cannyness she knows damn well what she is doing and is experimenting accordingly and getting a hell of a kick out of this all (good for her). Plus as I said, that under my real name I am like mwua mwa kissy kissy Israel i luve U my chosen children of god with a license to kill oh i luv u i luv u. So maybe we shouldn't judge her and let it be seen what she does...
I still dont get why u insist on remaining anonymous..I know I'm not as smart as before and that dumbness has known a way to my brain recently in order to match with all the stupidity around..so..shwayya shwayya 3alayya:)
roman understood I regard them as coming from another planet..thats all he got..that I was raised on propaganda and ignorance(myself,huh!) and suffer from hatred.I wont answer to that as I know Im not like that and I know u know Im not like that( Im a guy by the way,32)
Im starting to enjoy this..but not on this page..tell me a way we can write eachother or somethin.
ramadan kareem, in eid ya'll will be hear'n & feel'n some blasts & aftershocks coming straight out of the occupied lands (GOD WILLING) So you see maybe it isnt such a bad idea to go there after all as shopping is the furthest thing from my mind.
Your maturity is amazing, for you age (as student) , your Blog’s headings and combined with your declaration of being a recovering addict !!!. God bless you. As for your trip your reasons sound good however be prepared for some difficulties on the way back If nothing then it’s a pleasant surprise. As for the crazy comments re; enemy this and enemy that, forget about them. If anyone is feeling that strong let him volunteer to go to the army or join the airforce and get the orders from crazy leaders the type that has been governing the middle east for the last half a century. I am not a fan of the Israeli government but it is scary when they echo wisdom compared to the Arab world . Oh , BTW, one of your commentators claims ancient Egypt was Arab !!I don’t know what kind of history education in Egypt these days.!!?
Let me know how it turns out, I might do the same.
It's good to read your blog again.
'cause I couldn't find any email-adress:
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HOW TO STOP TIME: Heroin from A to Z
DEAR ISIS--GIFT FOR U. I an Egyptian at large!
A recovering upper-class addict and friend I know who comes from a good family of a long line of judges, military men, and writers had once decided to STOP TIME by using Heroin. He went from a vain-money-hungry-capitalist-sex-crazed-ambitious businessperson to a broke-deluded-needle frenzied-heroin induced creative junkie. His religous brother did not want him in the house, and his parents stopped talking to him as a form of “tough-love” used by families of many addicts to get the message through, “It’s us, or the drug.” During that opium-induced era, he fell in love with a college girl he met on the street corner; a tough cookie who saw her own peace in his madness and meddled with him into a catch-22 loving relationship with constant awe in her eyes at the adventurous carefree outlook he took on life. One day in 2002, she bought him How To Stop Time, a used book she spotted on a dusty shelf in a local Canadian bookstore. At that time, he could barely afford his daily fix, before he could even think of eating or even replacing his torn sandals let alone to buy a book. However, he cherished it, read it a several times and the book survived his storm of withdrawals, extensive globetrotting, and most of all; his metamorphosis. It stayed well kept like a Koran or Bible but my friend never got it with the cover and him and I just saw it when we dug the image off Amazon. Quite creative! Zoom in to the word “bag.”
A year later, my friend miraculously recovered defying all social and stereotypical stigmas about heroin drug users. He learned to cherish and challenge TIME again and jump-started his career in a war zone. Months into the war, he bumped into Ann Marlowe, the author of the book. They met on the pool of 3-star hotel during a curfew imposed by the occupying forces. She was a Harvard Grad, and wrote the book according to her years of heroin addiction in New York. Their first question to each other was “Are you clean? How long has it been?” She was shocked at the coincidence as they discussed the characters mentioned in the book and told him, “I bet you are the only one who read my book in this no man’s war land.” They both make no apologies to their previous addictions.
A year later, he bumped into her in the airport of a neighbouring oil-sheltered nostalgic Arab country on her way back from Afghanistan, the subject of her latest book. He showed her the city, bought her a belly-dancing suit, and took her home so that she can sign his old beat up copy of How To Stop Time. His heroin girlfriend could not handle his new method of extensive experimentation with TIME and left him for a new safer more predictable adventure of a different taste. The three years of TIME they spent together evaporated into another delusional twilight zone story about yet another couple brought together by the force of TIME. Ann Marlow also disappeared into her nonfiction literary world across various TIME zones of the globe.
The concept of TIME during Ramadan is challenging. No food or liquids may enter your throat from dawn until sunset, not even tobacco smoke while you are fasting. My now clean friend told me that last year was the first year he fasted every single day of that Holy Muslim month. When I spoke to him today, he was on the same path this year too. He explained how his main goal during the day was TO KILL TIME. There seems to be this deserved procrastination of the life he knew until after sunset. After his work he returns home to watch documentaries, features, read, chat, write, or sleep in order to KILL TIME constructivly. It reminded him about the concept of How to Stop Time.
The following are excerpts of Ann Marlow’s book that he highlights and once accepted in his daily opiate-induced life. This recovering addict is now a successful corner of this TIME chamber called LIFE where he works as a humanitarian with refugees, displaced, detained and injured people on the forefront fields of troubled areas and wars. He wrote a book about a defining chapter in today’s history, and then entered the TIME drama of media for four years before giving up on the meagre deceiving media machine of today. However, he could not give up the art of words; “What goes up must go down!”
Today he celeberates his sobriety with pride but can not share it with many people because most of the addicts he knew are either dead, incarcerated, still on the smack-train or sheltered away by their sponsors under the umbrella of a 12-step program, which forbids contact with fellow addicts from the past. My dear friend wears his sobriety like a badge of honor or medal on a military suit.
•The chemistry of Heroin is ruthless: It is designed to disappoint you.
•After quitting, you look worse for months before your former looks return. But Heroin also seems to retard the aging process. People who have been involved with Heroin are pickled by it, preserved from decay. What happens might be purely chemical-it does slow down the metabolism. Or it might be psychological, an arrest of life experience. Think about those commercials for skin care products that point out that laughing or frowning ages your skin. Life on heroin does not lend itself to lots of animated facial expressions. Your lows are higher and because of the physical annoyances of addiction, your highs are lower. There are not a lot of surprises. ( Author and friend not so convinced by this point, but its an interesting theory)
•There is the moment of exultation just when the dope hits your bloodstream, and you feel so good you have to share it, so you talk, you talk like you have never talked before, you chat with people you would cross the street to avoid other times, you speak almost a substitute for motion.
•Heroin positions itself as a luxury purchase, yet an affordable luxury, like one of those jars of marmalade or face cream that are ridiculously costly on per ounce basis yet within most of our means as an occasional indulgence.
•Heroic, I reminded myself: Heroin’s name was from German for “heroic” Because it makes you feel everything is fine when it is not.
•Holograms: Heroin can reduce the human personality gradually to a vague projection, a scatter set of data points that doesn’t seem big enough for the body from which its emanating……Its as though you could pass your arm through the addict’s body, for all the psychic space they take up.
•It’s the insulation provided by the heroin that allows you to contemplate leaving it, in the same way that with your boyfriend or girlfriend by your side its easy to asses his merits and ponder breaking up. The next morning, the anxiety the dope protected you from returns, and the thought of quitting is once more terrifying
•You might come to heroin seeking control, looking for a relationship where you would not get hurt, and indeed you find a lover who will never abandon you. But oddly enough, speculate as you will about quitting, you can only hurt yourself. Never the drug. Heroin will not listen to you, not even once, but it will always take you back. It will be there, waiting, whenever you are ready to return.
•One reason romantic love has existential depth is that our tears at the end of an affair are shed partially in pity for our own inevitable deaths. Heroin blunts the edge of mortality; love hones it.
•Making love on Heroin was like changing a tire underwater, I felt torpid and unmaneuverable, as if there were something I had to but could not shake loose of in order to be there and come. Junkies notoriously do not fuck much, and the worst is that you forget that you are missing something. You wake up one day and you realize that you have not had sex in months and you did not even notice.
•Heroin offers safety, and the illusion of immortality, but it robs you of the possibilities that make holding onto life worthwhile in the first place.
•The life heroin bestows is not less painful, just less profound; not less stressful, just less surprising. And while dope does stop time, it also stops beauty. After I quit, it gradually came to me that the messy stuff I’d been screening out with dope like the nitty gritty of having relationships, constructing friendships, getting along with acquaintances, and meeting new people——the stuff that hadn’t seemed worth the trouble, the stuff that had to be controlled so I could focus on the important matters, was in fact the only MATERIAL LIFE PRESENTS.
Mr. or Mrs. Repent11, please allow me if I may, to say that your expose or comment, whatever have you, is far from any sort of gift. It is a burdensome thorn in the side, especially after reading the ramble and excerpts at the end about Heroin. What kinda trash is that?
EVERYTHING IS THE EXACT CONTRARY. ESPECIALLY THE PART ABOUT THE SEX BEING BAD WHILE ON HEROIN. It is the exact opposite & ONE OF THE LEADING REASONS ONE RETURNS TO USE HEROIN IS BECAUSE OF THE EXTRAORDINARY SEXUAL PROWESS ONE ACQUIRES WHILE UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF HEROIN. THIS DESCRIPTIVE RAMBLE IS LOW & SHAMEFULL TO SAY THE LEAST & IN VERY BAD TASTE OF YOU. NOT A GOOD THING TO TELL A RECOVERING ADDICT.
SO WHAT!!! YOU KNOW OF SOME DUDE WHO MET AN EX HEROIN ADDICT WHO WROTE A BOOK - WOW. THAT DOESNT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO CONSIDER DISCLOSING THIS KNOWLEDGE A PRICELESS GIFT.
YOUR WRITING ISNT AT ALL THAT BAD BUT WHEN I CLICKED ON YOUR NAME TO SEE YOUR BLOG YOU HAD NONE AND ONLY 2 VIEWS TO YOUR ENTIRE PROFILE.
PLEASE CONSIDER MORE CAREFULLY THE NATURE OF SUCH DESCRIPTIVE TRASH OF A SUCH TRASHY DRUG ON A FELLOW RECOVERING ADDICTS BLOG.
NO PUN INTENDED AND THANK YOU
Hey Sam,
If you keep doing Heroin long enough, you WON'T have a sex life period you dork!
Isis, definately go to Israel if you have the guts too. I know I always wished to visit but was too chicken shit to do it. It's a visit for God's sake. Some are making it seem like your selling your soul to the devil.
Eshta ya Isis,
2ala2
Whatever...it actually stops the aging process & you have little 89 year old men in Opium dens in Thailand that are still sexually active.
Huhh, whose the dork now?!?!?!
As far the Israel goes, I could care less. See this threads second comment. Adieu
I say NO. Don't go. It's not worth it. There's nothing to lose if you don't go there.
Sam Sam Sam,
You seem defensive like I was 15 yrs ago. Sex on Heroin and Cocaine is fine when you do small amounts. Not when you indulge heavily.
I only signed on to Blogger to post this pieace I wrote. I actually am talking from experience but used "the friend" for decoy since I blog on another blog site and do not want to disclose my identity.
I think you should read the piece again. Its positive in every way. It shows how I was a seirous addict and I was then able to turn my life upside down. I am now actually a diplomat working in a war zone but bumped into this site by mistake.
I used in brown in Egypt, China White in Canada, Mexican Tar in LA, and Afghani in Kuwait. I actually lectured in Universities about heroin addiction. So, I modestly urge you to reread my comments again.
The excerpts you call trash are written by a Harvard Grad, author who was able to quit after 7 years of addiction and now is sharing her emotions and experience in this book. Ofcourse, they are not facts and you may disagree with them but if you concentrate you will see lots of truth in them.
I dont know if you are still using or not. But, this pieace is so positive and it shows you that you can be scoring from the desert in Egypt, with tracks all over your arm, and rehab visit you cant count, then one day you can put it behind you, kill that monster and become a succesful free productive person like me or others.
If you are still using feel free to ask for advice. I went through the methadone method, the cold turkey, and the pills we use in Cairo but never through the capsule, or the rivea crap!
ISIS, I like your blog. I have been to Tel Aviv and Isreal before so feel free to ask any questions. Do not worry. Its an experience you should go through.
Remember, once you survive Heroin, the sky is the limit.
I don't know how the current topic on this blog drifted to the glory of being out of drug addiction. I complimented Isis for her subtle claim without searching for glory. What I found sad about it is that society these days particularly in North America make a big deal to the point of idolizing this star or that model going into rehab- I don't understand societal pattern of glorifying something (or someone) go down deep and then return to "neutral"surface, a lot more than a citizen who discovered something, a scientist who deserve international level of recognition. If we continue along this line (god forbid).. we should see a lot of idols like Britney Spears, Lindsay loghan, this sport player and that one confusing young generations to the extream.
snoby
Your point is really shallow. First of all, being a drug addict and cleaning up is yes an acomplishment. But, cleaning up and being able to excel at your career and make up for the time lost and even exceeding those who had been sober clean and at it all the time in a healthy competition is another ball game. Yes, it deserves for that recovering addict to walk proud and if he or she glorifies himself on an alias name on a blog it should not be surprising. Actually, its shold be inspiring.
Dont know about your experience with the drug, but you better be one of those addicts who had attemped to battle it hard. meaning you have been in and out of rehabs several times, you have struggled with family and friends immensely to the point of almost losing them, you have spent your money and assets on it etc....or else you can not even perceive the pain and trauma one goes through and you should keep your comments away from the actual drug details, but to the expression of your opinion as you did with your limited scope on the celeberity issue.
As for the celeberity case. Your comment is so annoying. If you lived in North America you would realize how much more drugs are easily distributed on street blocks, delivered to ur home, etc...so access is easy and its part of every day society, music, film, way more than the exxagerated sterotype in the Arab World.
When some teenagers idolize Britney Spears for years and sees her drowning into drugs and booze, then see her cleaning up..that in itself encourages them to clean up too and shape up if they are using, or avoid it if they are not!
It sends the CLEAR AND OBVIOUS MESSAGE: NO MATTER HOW BEAUTIFUL, FAMOUS, RICH AND SUCSESSFUL YOU ARE, DRUGS WILL GET THE BEST OF YOU...DEFEAT YOU, YOUR LOOKS AND YOUR FUTURE.
The advertising of celeberity recovery is both ENCOURAGING TO THE PUBLIC AND POSITIVE.
I am sorry ISIS for all the descriptive trash that I am about to use below but how else can I retort to this guy with out taking out a bigger ego mirror for him & all to see.
@ the poster Mohamed above. I am a lil confused to tell you the truth, are you the friend of the user or the user himself?
In any case you said it yourself, I may disagree with a lot of it & yes it is trash for the mere fact that you say that you are successful now and have done it all but you faiiiiilllll to see that ISIS is still in her early years of recovery and she is on the Revia, exactly the stuff you called crap and your swaggering along and on to her blog acting like the recovery GURU [no matter how well intended] is like way not the way to help any recovering addict out. That is for the Emmy's and Oscars my friend. I take it that you forgot that or hadn't thought it out properly here or the thought never crossed your mind.
I have been clean for several years now after several years of Dealing[sling'n] & using, but more or less did it as a recreation for 12 years. Was on 140 mls. of Meth a day, had Triads delivering the bricks of China white to me bi weekly in Western Canada, sold Heroin on Main & Hastings to dealers in Vancouver’s Skid Row, Banff Alberta, Calgary & Edmonton. That’s where I get the NAME SAM SEVEN FROM, FROM MIX'N the H WITH FREE BASE, Have actually been in the mountainous regions of Afghanistan AND GOT HIGH FOR 20 CENTS A DAY there, had the 5 gram deliveries for 40 bucks to my hotel room in Bankok. Did the black Tar in San Francisco on Mission St. right at Dr. Bombards.
Knew the Emberratora Horreya and her daughter Bat’ta personally, Kot-Kot, Mohyee, Salem, Amir, Azza, el Brince and all other politically backed dealers in Egypt.
So basically I have been around dude and I am not afraid to say it and no I don't want a medal for it.
DID I LEAVE OUT THE PART THAT MY FOLKS ARE ALREADY DIPLOMATS AND I AM NOW A VERY WELL RESPECTED Professional.
As for the sex on Heroin thing, it is Ramadan now & I have since gone through a lifestyle change but at one point & time in my life have HAD $ 2000 ESCORTS cater to my needs FOR A QUARTER gm. LIKE THREE TIMES A DAY, Then would still get laid at night & couldn't get enough. EVEN took fellow TANTRIC EAST INDIAN BABES to sexercise class WITH PLEASURE. Again I’m not proud of it? OK maybe just a little but not really.
Heroin MIGHT AFFECT DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT WAYS But it sure didn’t hurt me in the sex department. That is one of the points I was making in what I had read, cuz SOME Nimrod thought they knew absolute truth were being cool by calling me a dork I WAS shedding light on their own dorkiness, that’s all. As if they had any idea what they were talking about in the first place.
So PLEASE EASE UP ON THE COMMENTARY. I GOT WHERE I AM TODAY THROUGH HUMILITY, HONESTY, FAITH & ACTION & IT SURE WASNT EASY.
YA THERE IS A WAY BACK, IT'S NOT BY BEING ON THE RECEIVING END - WAY DOWN BELOW AND HEARING THE STORY OF THE WORLDS WORST DRUG ADDICT WHO HAS MADE THE BIGGEST TURN AROUND, WHICH COMES OFF AS BEING A LITTLE CONDESCENDING. I mean frankly that is a bad way to make an introduction dude.
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU THROW ALL THE RULES & PRINCIPLES OF ENGAGEMENT OUT THE WINDOW.
IMAGINE SHE WAS YOUR DAUGHTER AND SOMEONE LEFT THE HAIL HO ON HER BLOG. WOULDNT YOU BE A LIL DISTRESSED. I MEAN WHAT KIND OF INSENSITIVE NARCASSISTIC CRAP IS THAT.?
ONE BY ONE MY FRIENDS ARE DROPPING LIKE FLY'S, THE ONES THAT I MET IN RECOVERY, DUE TO THE CARELESSNESS AND LACK OF UNDERSTANDING OF [ALTHOUGH CARING & SINCERE] INDIVIDUALS AS YOURSELF THAT THINK WHEN A PERSON IS OFF A DRUG FOR A LITTLE WHILE THEY ARE CURED. It’s like saying heeeey do you wanna be friends, check me out, lets talk about how cool that Euphoria is when you get the first 3 c.c.’s of powder into your vein, don’t you just love how it steals your breathe and takes you down elixir avenue eh?
I COULD SHOOT UP 3/4 OF A GRAM OF solid china white right now AFTER YEARS OF BEING CLEAN AND I WOULDNT O.D. CUZ MY TOLERANCE IS OFF THE CHARTS. IT TAKES 2 ANESTHESIOLOGISTS TO PUT ME OUT FOR AN OPERATION BUT DO I GO OUT TELLING PEOPLE ABOUT IT OR TELL THEM I WENT TO ISRAEL TOO AND NOW MAKE HEAPS AND HEAPS OF MONEY AFTER QUITING THE BAD LIFESTYLE?
DO I GO TELL RECOVERING ADDICTS THAT THE BEST LITERARY WORK ABOUT HEROIN IS "DIARY OF A DOPE FIEND" BY MR. Alistair Crowley, who Ozzy wrote a song about & that I got high with Ozzy when I was 19 in England.
If I did then I am a lil full of myself and not HONESTLY concerned with the well being of the person I am S U P P O S E D L Y
addressing. Just cuz you passed 1st grade do you really think that qualifies you or any other classmate to teach it to young kids. Sorry my dear survivor but you are way out of your league on this one.
Yes I was drawn to ISIS' blog mainly for her insight and the mere fact that she is a RECOVERING DRUG ADDICT, and frankly I would like to keep it that way.
So my words to you Mo, Mo, Mo are that I am available too if you would like to talk about how to engage in a 12th step properly.
If you have time away from the diplomatic corps.
I am very sure you and I would have had a much brighter and stimulating conversation under different circumstances do to the many things we have in common. I know that you didn’t mean to come off as an insensitive person but you try giving mouth to mouth to dead guy who relapses after a year and a half cuz he bumps into a buddy randomly at a traffic light who used to use. I mean like after they have been dead for like an hour already? Not your common occurrence in the EU building eh?
sam seven.
I think I know you. I think I have even shot up with you. I lived AND USED in vancouver Hastings IN 1998
and I pity your for name dropping the likes of kot kot and Bata. and I think youa re full of shit. and you know why.
How do you mix H with free base, which is in rock form. You mix H powder with Coc powder into one syringe which is called a speedball, and dont even apologize to ISIS..because if you had any decency you would not discuss the details of the drugs and its use on the site of A recovering addict. But I will stoop down to your level of trash....
You took my comments as a competition and boasted about ur dealing and afgahnistan crap. I went to afghanistan to cover a war, and doing heroin is like scoring food in cairo..so dont make it sound like you have done this or that.
I will not even comment on your whores and sex stuff. Cause it does not take an idiot to relate good sex and heroin, Its just not there..especially the ejaculation..
Your use of capital letters, words like narcissitic bla bla bla shows how eager you are to make a point that was not even called for. We are all on the same page here....but you had to boast about ur sex, dealing, 140 ml bla bla bla.
I never engaged in a 12 step but I lectured there. Your use of phrases cause you passed first grade, shows how much of PRO u think u are..like this is some kind of competetion at who did more, where and how...
I pity u man...and I do know u i think unfortunately.
U said:
HAD $ 2000 ESCORTS cater to my needs FOR A QUARTER gm. LIKE THREE TIMES A DAY, Then would still get laid at night & couldn't get enough. EVEN took fellow TANTRIC EAST INDIAN BABES to sexercise class WITH PLEASURE. Again I’m not proud of it? OK maybe just a little but not really.
Isis has still not commented on this thread, and I am so shocked about ur previous words. What are you proud of just a little exactly...ya Abit!
I do feel sorry for u, Proud of what, that you stuck ur heroin induced limp dick into asian whores in exchange for heroin. You lying delusional scum! 3 times a day..and still going on at night....you child
Aeab alik. If I were you I would not even reply or comment again.
I hereby ask the readers of this blog and ISIS to join me in the boycott of this delusional sam seven. who has watched too many movies or is taking this Blog as place to live his FANTASIES.
I hope you are not who I think u are. God help u. Enty fein ya ISIS? COME DOWN FOR JUSTICE.
sam seven
I woke up today and checked the site. I am glad you took my advice because I read ur comment again and I have to say its the dumbest combination of words that I have ever read in my life. But it WAS FUN..like speaking to an elementary lying delusional school kid.
THIS WAS MY FAVORITE:
I GOT WHERE I AM TODAY THROUGH HUMILITY, HONESTY, FAITH & ACTION & IT SURE WASNT EASY.
I hope someone on this blog or Isis reads your comments and react to this previous sentence. Humility, ya right...I hung out with Ozzy, Thai whores, smack delivered to my room, and I and I and I...YA HARAM..GHALBAN...
lets talk about how cool that Euphoria is when you get the first 3 c.c.’s of powder into your vein, don’t you just love how it steals your breathe and takes you down elixir avenue eh?
I cant believe you wrote this on site like that. I also cant believe I stooped down to your trash when I said put this and that in the syringe!!
I apoologize to the readers for my outburst and usage of drug details on usage etc... I was just angry by this freak show SAM SEVEN
OK it's on BABY...You are so very dumb, you apologize for all the descriptives bla bla bla yet all I was saying is that I DID NOT COME OFF AS A COCKY ARROGANT COCK SUCKER like you did.
Can Diplomats from Borkino Faso actually read huuuh, Hello. Re readmr. Ex crazed Heroin Addict.
You then said "I also cant believe I stooped down to your trash when I said put this and that in the syringe!!"
Um how could you stoop to my level when you were the first person to leave all the descriptives my phobias friend?
Look I wont even argue with you at all buddy.
I'm sorry I didn't bow down to you your highness and ask you if you would like my sister who just so happens to be in the diplomatic corps aswell (but for Egypt) to bend down and suck your cock dear.
What a child you are indeed, you cant even handle a bit of critique. A childish addict you have proven to be indeed.
Hater!!!!!!!!
Take your head out of your ass, all I said was the contrary sir. But obviously you didn't read the whole comment nor understand a word of it as you have obviously taken a lot out of context.
Yet you apologize for all the descriptivism bla bla bla yet affirming to all readers that this was precisely what I was complaining about. all I was saying is that I DID NOT COME OFF AS A COCKY ARROGANT COCK SUCKER like you did by saying that I did such and such but could have if IU wanted to.
Can Diplomats from Burkina Faso actually read huuuh, Hello. Re read Mr. Ex crazed Heroin Addict.
You then said "I also cant believe I stooped down to your trash when I said put this and that in the syringe!!"
Um how could you stoop to my level when you were the first person to leave all the descriptivism my phobias friend?
Look I wont even argue with you at all buddy.
I'm sorry I didn't bow down to you your highness and ask you if you would like my sister who just so happens to be in the diplomatic corps as well (but for Egypt) to bend down and suck your cock.
What a child you are indeed, you cant even handle a bit of critique. A true addict craves immediate gratification and you have proven your self to be a typical case.
If you had true humility then you wouldn't be here right now. I had genuine concern fir ISIS and she is smart enough to grasp the idea by now. Even if you come back here and pass your GAS with your all too worthy 2 Cents.
Adieu
Hater!!!!!!!!
could someone translate what this guy is saying. I dont even know u, to hate you!
Your tone is wack. sister, diplomats, are you insane? go take ur prozac or meds..
My original blog did not contain usage of the drug, did not condescend anyone,
Sam freak show said:
I DID NOT COME OFF AS A COCKY ARROGANT COCK SUCKER like you did by saying that I did such and such but could have if IU wanted to.
Your blog was nothnig but cocky. Yes I fucked this and that, and went all night long..yes i have scored from all over delivered to my room, No I am not cocky, but yes, I hung out with Ozzy, oh I know the biggest dealers in Egyptian history personally!! Who fucking cares, You doorknob!
Where was I cocky and arrogant. I started my whole blog describing waht i went through and how i got out and where i am, without using my real name, or bragging, I was explaining the concept of Stopping TIME, on heroin....in relation to the book.
You are childish look at ur silly choice of words, GAS...2 Cents, Wake up FREAK SHOW..THIS AINT THE HOOOD OR WEST HASTINGS...
And your comments were not critique for me to even consider. you started attacking and saying trash this trash that...SO...U MUST BE TREATED LIKEWISE...THE WAY U ARE!
Now go deal ur drugs and ill mind somewhere else or go boast about ur delusional fuc fests...A real man does not talk like that about his sister...
your highness and ask you if you would like my sister who just so happens to be in the diplomatic corps as well (but for Egypt) to bend down and suck your cock.
If I was ISIS, I would ban u from this site mr. I care for isis and respect bla bla bla.FASHEL FASHEL FASHEL....
Alright...let me start off by saying that I didn't expect anything other than an inflated war of words between the two of us after telling you in a very rude and condescending way that I disagreed with the structure of your comment, and for that I apologize.
It was a little or actually a very disproportionate reaction to your comment. Again I am sorry for acting the way I did and thank you for bringing it to my attention, as I am sure you may ponder a thing or two yourself like perhaps why I am saying this to you now after coming off as the hotshot narcotics connoisseur with a cocky street smart attitude? Well for one that is not really me and the other is because..
Part of my 12 step recovery program [step 10] is to - Take personal inventory and when wrong promptly admitted it, and try and make amends where ever possible for the faulty behavior. Also to ask you if there is anything else within reason that can be done to affirm my sincerity for having transgressed my bounds.
I hope you can realize that it's because I have lost someone close in my life [again to drugs] and all the hot shots in recovery didn't save him like the Dr.'s, Lawyers, entrepreneurs etc. that were too busy to return a missed call. It was I who ended up getting a call from an old relapsed addict to try and bring him back to life, answer to police questioning etc., have my name mentioned to his family etc. etc. Why, I could have just ignored like the others in his support circle did?
I have been in denial about it and thought that if you were a sincere recovering addict that you would have allowed me to shit all over you which is beyond the realm of normal human behavior since it is illogical, especially since the incident wasn't really brought to your attention until I cast the first stone.
In the end I couldn't really give two cents about whether Heroin gives you a limp di__ or not or who the fuck goes to Israel. Addiction is a terrible disease.
Happy Ramadan OK, and this is the humility, understanding & patience that I mentioned and am used to portraying and should have shown from the beginning.
I hope you can understand, and find it in you to do so,
Eshta?
Man oh man! you two have serious ego inflations, bragging about who knows more, did more drugs. Shame on you! What recovery are talking about Mohamed? Do you even know what the word means?
Glad you came clean Sam.
Did your earlier meeting have anything to do with it you dork?
Eshataaaaaat
So Mohamed, I just read the part of your comment now where you said that you think you may know me & that we may have met & even shot up together in 98. One thing is for sure though, if you were on Van skid Row back then, chances are that I definitely have crossed paths with you.
So if you really think it is [a possibility]since you don't have a contact address, please email me cuz this should be really interesting.
SAM SEVEN RULES.
THE MOON SHINES AND DOGS HOWL
Sam Seven.
Apology accepted. I have been clean for 5 years and I have so much compassion for anyone using heroin and those like me who were lucky enough to survive.
All in all, any addict tends to be sensitive due to the experience in itself and the trauma that comes with it.
You stay strong. I will hook up with you on the net soon enough. Remember what does not kill you makes you stronger, so according to your commentary and the drug wars you survived, you should be an invincible rock!
Catch you soon.
u should NOT go to israel. amn dawla will make ur life miserable. my sister went to ras shitan and chatted for a few hours with an israeli guy, and our lives became fucked.
MOHAMED, are you who I think you are? Are you Lebanese, happened to have lived in Toronto then on a certain island in B.C. Do the last two letters in your nick name happen to be _ _ _ d y? Do the initials M.F.F. mean anything to you, the L.A. Times, a certain book about the American invasion of Iraq ring any bells? I thought that person is still using, so I guess it is not you. Out of respect to you or that person who may or may not be you, I did not reveal any particulars whilst querying.
In any case all the above is irrelevant, what you wrote in your last comment is what is relevant though, so best of luck to you as well my friend. I await hearing from you.
Sam,
You got some of the info right and some way off. you may email me at repent11@hotmail.com
So in the end, did you or did you not go to Eilat ?
...just curious...
As far as I know these are sacred places for Muslims too. Clenbuterol
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